Universal Studios in Hollywood

[MadMex]

Any recent experience / intel on gate checks? Wands, bag checks, etc? How current is your information / experience?

Many thanks in advance.

[heypal]

I've worked a few jobs at Universal as well as visited the park, and was there for a screening as recently as last week. Firearms are specifically banned from the properties at all times. There are no visible metal detectors or wand searches at main entrances. They will occasionally do checks if you are attending a special event.

My advice is don't carry. Their written rules prohibit it and you run a risk that you don't need to take.

[BonoVox]

Originally Posted by heypal

I've worked a few jobs at Universal as well as visited the park, and was there for a screening as recently as last week. Firearms are specifically banned from the properties at all times. There are no visible metal detectors or wand searches at main entrances. They will occasionally do checks if you are attending a special event.

My advice is don't carry. Their written rules prohibit it and you run a risk that you don't need to take.

Falls into legal, but against Universal site's policy = if discovered, possible phone call to issuing agency that can lead to a revocation. Yes the risk is you lose CCW under current law in California for life.

[MadMex]

Originally Posted by BonoVox

Falls into legal, but against Universal site's policy = if discovered, possible phone call to issuing agency that can lead to a revocation. Yes the risk is you lose CCW under current law in California for life.

Not sure what is meant by "Falls into legal..."?

Please elaborate. Thanks.

[heypal]

[edit- I think he means] that it would be technically legal for you to ccw while on property had they not stated that guns are not allowed. technically (IANAL), i believe it is legal even though they have stated this. The risk that you run is that, if detected, they will do one of three things:

ask you to go back to your car and lock up your gun (not likely)

tell you to leave and never come back (a little more likely)

detain you and call the police (bingo)

if the police come you are likely to be charged with trespassing because they have stated they don't allow firearms and the moment you violated this you became unwelcome on their property. this is a slippery slope to losing your ccw.

[heypal]

even if you're not charged with trespassing, either the local authorities or the park's security are likely to call your issuing authority and explain the incident to them. this will have logical ramifications.

[derringer]

I'm certainly not advocating pushing the envelope, but "technically" speaking:

Is posting a no weapons rule on a web site or some other source other than posting it at the entrances enough for them to legitimately press "trespassing" charges, or does an establishment have to post warning in a conspicuous place at the entrances?

Also, does California have a legally recognized standard "no weapons" sign or logo, or does one have to stop and read all the fine print at the entrance to see if the wording is there somewhere amongst everything else posted? (I've heard some states have adopted standardized signage)

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by heypal

Firearms are specifically banned from the properties at all times.

Their written rules prohibit it and you run a risk that you don't need to take.

Not that I don't believe you, but I couldn't find anything on their website that stated this (not a very easy website to search). I expected it to be there. Do you know anywhere that they post this information?

[Quietpi]

California doesn't have anything like a standard sign.

All a private landowner (like a mall, or Universal Studios) has to do is to tell you to leave. If you don't leave immediately, then you're trespassing, and can be prosecuted. That's true even if the private landowner has posted signs about CCW.

I don't suggest disobeying the signs, though. You may not get cited, but you can still lose your CCW permit. Life isn't fair.

[derringer]

Originally Posted by Quietpi

I don't suggest disobeying the signs, though. You may not get cited, but you can still lose your CCW permit. Life isn't fair.

Well, IF signs are conspicuously posted, then that would be fair.
OTOH, I like to think if a Sheriff who had issued you a CCW were to find that there was no signage or any other reasonable warning, that you left (or were willing to) when asked to leave, and that you were carrying in a manner that would be deemed appropriate for his own off-duty LEOs, that he would be fair enough to consider the circumstances. But, like you said, life isn't always fair.

[gr8fatman]

Originally Posted by THE Gimper

Not that I don't believe you, but I couldn't find anything on their website that stated this (not a very easy website to search). I expected it to be there. Do you know anywhere that they post this information?

I too could not find anything on Universal's site. But I did Google this info.

Universal Studios: While Universal Studios does not allow off-duty officers to bring their weapons into the park, you may go to the Sheriff’s Substation when you arrive at the park and they will provide you with a locker to store your weapon. You will be given the only key to the locker to keep and to retrieve your weapon at the end of the day. There are no exceptions

Here's the link. http://www.dsasd.org/index.php/dsasd...arry_your_gun/

[Admin]

Originally Posted by MadMex

Not sure what is meant by "Falls into legal..."?

Please elaborate. Thanks.

Here is a more detailed explanation. I highly recommend reading the bottom couple paragraphs, particularly the part about making phone calls which tend to make new signs and policies magically appear.

http://www.calccw.com/Forums/where-c...s-weapons.html

[MadMex]

Originally Posted by gr8fatman

I too could not find anything on Universal's site. But I did Google this info.

Universal Studios: While Universal Studios does not allow off-duty officers to bring their weapons into the park, you may go to the Sheriff’s Substation when you arrive at the park and they will provide you with a locker to store your weapon. You will be given the only key to the locker to keep and to retrieve your weapon at the end of the day. There are no exceptions

Here's the link. http://www.dsasd.org/index.php/dsasd...arry_your_gun/

Good thing I’m not an off-duty officer.

[MadMex]

Originally Posted by Admin

Here is a more detailed explanation. I highly recommend reading the bottom couple paragraphs, particularly the part about making phone calls which tend to make new signs and policies magically appear.

http://www.calccw.com/Forums/where-c...s-weapons.html

Concur.

Having lived in a handful of shall-issue states, I’m all too familiar with the dreaded signs and policies. Unfortunately, lack there of is about the only positive about CA’s CCW.

[SierraNevadaCCW]

Originally Posted by heypal

[edit- I think he means] that it would be technically legal for you to ccw while on property had they not stated that guns are not allowed. technically (IANAL), i believe it is legal even though they have stated this. The risk that you run is that, if detected, they will do one of three things:

ask you to go back to your car and lock up your gun (not likely)

tell you to leave and never come back (a little more likely)

detain you and call the police (bingo)

if the police come you are likely to be charged with trespassing because they have stated they don't allow firearms and the moment you violated this you became unwelcome on their property. this is a slippery slope to losing your ccw.

Detain me? No. Trespass without a personal warning or peace officer notification...No. Call to my issuing agency? No. They wont' know who that is or who to call and if they did, my agency wouldn't care.

I would carry my gun and no one would ever know.